The danger already passed. The fact that Republicans and the majority of the country did not banish Trump into the trash bin of history after January 6th is the most depressing act of political cowardice of my lifetime.
Ugh, this again. Will this effort to whitewash history ever end? There are some on that end of the political spectrum who are now asking, "Was Hitler really the bad guy in WWII? Look at all the good things he did." It's sad, and scary, that anybody can ignore the facts and believe this propaganda.
Cillizza just wrote there was an armed insurrection…how can there have been an insurrection without anyone being charged with insurrection (or really being armed)?
It is so apparent when MAGA Trump sycophants resort to lying, just like their Dear Leader.
The insurrectionists WERE “armed”...with baseball bats, bear spray, flag poles, stun guns, metal whips, bike racks, and used other items, like a fire extinguisher and pieces of metal from torn apart barricades, broken pieces of furniture, basically ANYTHING they could get their hands on to VIOLENTLY ASSAULT POLICE OFFICERS with weapons, taking police riots shields and using them to bludgeon police officers.... and yes, fire arms.
For example, in fact Lonnie Coffman had a truck near the Capitol containing numerous loaded firearms, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, and materials to make Molotov cocktails and was sentenced to 46 months in prison.
Trump pardoned all these VIOLENT FELONS. The MAGA felons who were guilty of POLITICAL VIOLENCE at the behest of Donald Trump.
“Insurrection” is defined as a violent uprising or revolt against civil authority or an established government, involving a widespread act of resistance against the government or its laws
That is EXACTLY what 1/6 was.
The effort to whitewash what was actual happened by MAGA Cultists is exactly what Trump has ordered you to do.
I was just going to say the same thing. I've been following his comments, and definitely trolling this podcast.....but it does add humor as one sees the right get wound up.
Granted, "armed insurrection" is hyperbole. I'm not sure why the normally objective Cizzilla chose that phrase. A few of the protestors used clubs, flagpoles and whatnot to damage property and inflict bodily harm. "Riot" is probably the most accurate word to describe what happened that day.
"Court records and eyewitness accounts confirm that rioters possessed a variety of weapons, including firearms, knives, tasers, and makeshift weapons like flagpoles, fire extinguishers, and axes. Federal prosecutors charged at least 180 defendants with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon. Additionally, pipe bombs were discovered outside the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican National Committees."
'Members of organized extremist groups, such as the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, participated in the attack with a coordinated effort. Leaders of these groups were convicted of seditious conspiracy, a charge that implies organized plotting against the government."
"The ultimate goal of the rioters was to disrupt the constitutional process of certifying the 2020 election results and prevent the peaceful transfer of power."
Hyperbole has always been the currency of partisan politics. Both sides wallow in it and those on the edges even believe it. My criticism - or agreement with Leva - was directed at Cizzilla.
As far as I know, none of the rioters was charged with the crime of "insurrection." Is that incorrect? Even if you think of Jan 6th that way, 800 (?) or so participants out of a population of 340,000,000 is pretty weak tea as insurrections go.
That didn’t happen and it was all conjecture. Considering Cheney violated law and congressional protocol by pre-coordinating with a witness (Hutchinson) the case died…literally
That is not what the charges said and if they did then Al Gore would be guilty.
The charges said Trump KNEW the election was fair, but was promoting a false conspiracy that it wasn’t fair. That was the legal basis. Like me selling a piece of equipment to the government that I knew didn’t work but said it did to win a contract.
The charges relied on the fallacy of having to know Trump’s inner thoughts. The government can’t regulate anyone’s belief system. If I say the election was unfair, I cannot be convicted. The entire insurrection narrative is phony and can only be won in a civil court.
Like Giuliani having to pay hundreds of millions to election workers because he ruined their reputation.
We dodged a bullet with Harris because this BS would continue.
There were multiple witnesses who heard T say, at different times, that he knew he lost the election, and that it was not rigged. Multiple witnesses too that say they expressly told him that he lost and that there was no evidence of fraud. With that, it is very easy to prove what he knew.
Then bring it! Bring facts! Guy is being condescending like he is the Illuminati when he cited a guy who was not at J6 and not charged with any J6 crimes as to proof there was an insurrection.
So according to you Coffman (a guy with guns, pistols, and Molotov cocktails) was actually part of the J6 riot but they gave him a hall pass? A mulligan huh?
Just like falsely calling it an insurrection, the desperation to link Coffman to J6 is pathetic. If we count him…that makes 4 gun charges. Most heavily armed group in America decided to launch an insurrection with bike racks, bear spray and zip ties. Gimme a break.
From the transcript below the sentencing judge says nobody knows why he was there…except you!
“This is clearly your writing, in your views — I appreciate that,” Kollar-Kotelly said. “I think his letter shows remorse and an understanding that this was something he should not have done.”
But one question that remains, she said, is: “What was the purpose of driving to the nation’s capital with the weapons?”
“I think you’ve learned your lesson,” she told Coffman, “[but] I still don’t have an answer to the question.”
That day also included attempts by the exevutive office to install fake electors, and attempted to pressure members of Congress to uncinstotutionally delay the certification of the electoral college vote, and, the executive brought that crowd to DC on that very day for the purpose of stopping the Constitutionally mandated certification of the electoral college vote and of the election. The executivr even refused to call in the National Guard in hopes the insurrection would succeed.
All together it was an attempt at an insurrection to overthrow the elected governmemt and install the loser of the election instead.
If some of the participants were duped into it by believing all the lies the executive spewed about the election, and did not realize they were attempting an insurrection does not mean that one was not attempted.
"As of January 6, 2022, it was illegal to carry a firearm publicly in Washington D.C. without a license. Strict regulations required all firearms in the district to be registered, and carrying a pistol without a license was a felony offense."
"Registration was mandatory:
All firearms in the district had to be registered with the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD)."
"On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia, the defendant LONNIE LEROY COFFMAN did possess certain ammunition, . 223 caliber rounds, without being the holder of a valid registration certificate for a firearm. (Unlawful Possession of Ammunition), in violation of 7 D.C. Code§ 2506.0l(a)(3) (2001 ed.))"
He was pled guilty to 2 counts of illegal possession of am unregisteted firearm and components of molotov cocktails a federal crime, and sentenced to 46 months.
But I bet you think he walked towards the Capitol during the riot because he was there as a tourist and did not intend to participate in any insurrection. That's why he had hundreds of rounds of ammunition, a large capacity ammunition feeding device, a crossbow with bolts and a machete, along with several loaded firearms within reach of the drivers seat inside his truck.
I know he was convicted and anyone who carries knows DC’s gun laws.
Coffman did not participate in the J6 riots. He parked his vehicle in South East DC. His vehicle was found while sweeping around the RNC headquarters. Judge even said we still don’t know why you did this! Look it up.
Coffman’s arrest has become a propaganda tool for the left by linking a security incident with weapons (e.g.Molotov cocktails) to the J6 riots.
There were 3 weapons charges for J6. THREE.
Again it is preposterous that a group which is like six standard deviations to the right of gun ownership executed an armed insurrection with bear spray and bike racks.
Moronic to assert so which is why Coffman has become part of the lie.
The one rewriting history and spewing propaganda is YOU and the Trump Cult.
Coffman was in DC BECAUSE of the 1/6 insurrection.
Photos of Coffman in the crowd at the Capitol were found by investigators and prosecutors say Coffman was living out of his truck for a week in Washington, DC.
You bet your ass I (and others) are being condescending to you because you are promoting Trump Cult propaganda and LIES!!!
The whitewashing of 1/6 by Trump and his gullible, ignorant followers is REPULSIVE and DISGUSTING!!!!
He exited his truck and was walking towards the Capitil during the riot. He was heavily armed for a battle, that is why he was there, , not for a tourist visit.
"Condescending to me"....come on, put your big boy or big girl pants on. Typing is a one dimensional communication....somewhere someone said " sticks and stones...."....isn't this what "owning the libs" is all about? LOL
Rewriting or whitewashing the events of January 6 is not just an act of political spin, it’s a direct threat to the health of our democracy. What’s most dangerous isn’t just the loss of bipartisan condemnation or the rise of conspiracy theories, but the collective amnesia that takes hold when truth is allowed to slip away unnoticed. If the facts of January 6, violent disruption by crowds fueled on deliberate misinformation, are blurred or denied, Americans risk losing the very foundation needed for public accountability. Upholding what actually happened that day is not partisan; it’s how a democracy protects itself from ongoing distortion and future erosion of the rule of law
Imagine how it feels to be a conservative straight laced law abiding FBI agent, many former military, and passed background checks and highly educated, and have a republican president declaring war on you and your coworkers.
You've devoted your entire adult life to protecting this country, you probably are as far from being a left leaning progressive as it gets, and the leader of your country is doing everything he can to vilify you.
Of course Trump is “just keeps on trying to rewrite the history of January 6th”.
That is what authoritarians and dictators do.
He is also rewriting much of our history with the disgusting white supremacist whitewashing of American society and art by both hiding what racists like Trump do not like and making up racist lies to demonize and de-humanize all except white men.
When will people realize that almost everything Trump says is untruthful or wrong(e.g.- Tylenol). As in that classic Seinfeld episode where George just does the opposite, if Trump says it, you take the opposite side. You’ll be more right than wrong
When will we finally stop arguing about the reality that Trump is all about chaos, all the time. He’s not trying to fix anything. He doesn’t want to work with anybody. He wants chaos. And when people offer to work with him, he finds a way out of it, or twists it to make himself look better in his eyes and those of his base. How do you work with someone like that? It’s a moving target that you can’t hit. Ever.
You asked a question that I keep pondering in my head....Does Donald Trump believe what he says? I ask this of many conservative pundits as well. Do the Trumps/Kirks/Calrsons/Hannities/etc of the world believe everything they say or do they see it as a means for profit/power? I could almost offer some respect if they truly believe what they say and are acting on those beliefs, but if all this is done as a center for profit generation (as I suspect it is) or as a way to consolidate power then it is truly truly disgusting.
DJT does a great Tommy Flanagan impression. He pardons 1500 convicted rioters and then says 'It waaaaassss....rouge....law enforcement! Ya! Rouge law enforcement! That's the ticket!"'....
The danger already passed. The fact that Republicans and the majority of the country did not banish Trump into the trash bin of history after January 6th is the most depressing act of political cowardice of my lifetime.
Ugh, this again. Will this effort to whitewash history ever end? There are some on that end of the political spectrum who are now asking, "Was Hitler really the bad guy in WWII? Look at all the good things he did." It's sad, and scary, that anybody can ignore the facts and believe this propaganda.
Ask the neo-Nazis I have crossed swords with at various sites, including here. They will tell you: Hitler was a misunderstood genius.
Well, he did create the Volkswagen. So, really, not such a bad guy!
Cillizza just wrote there was an armed insurrection…how can there have been an insurrection without anyone being charged with insurrection (or really being armed)?
It is so apparent when MAGA Trump sycophants resort to lying, just like their Dear Leader.
The insurrectionists WERE “armed”...with baseball bats, bear spray, flag poles, stun guns, metal whips, bike racks, and used other items, like a fire extinguisher and pieces of metal from torn apart barricades, broken pieces of furniture, basically ANYTHING they could get their hands on to VIOLENTLY ASSAULT POLICE OFFICERS with weapons, taking police riots shields and using them to bludgeon police officers.... and yes, fire arms.
For example, in fact Lonnie Coffman had a truck near the Capitol containing numerous loaded firearms, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, and materials to make Molotov cocktails and was sentenced to 46 months in prison.
Trump pardoned all these VIOLENT FELONS. The MAGA felons who were guilty of POLITICAL VIOLENCE at the behest of Donald Trump.
“Insurrection” is defined as a violent uprising or revolt against civil authority or an established government, involving a widespread act of resistance against the government or its laws
That is EXACTLY what 1/6 was.
The effort to whitewash what was actual happened by MAGA Cultists is exactly what Trump has ordered you to do.
FYI Leva is a Russian AI bot. No sense giving it any more attention than it deserves.
I was just going to say the same thing. I've been following his comments, and definitely trolling this podcast.....but it does add humor as one sees the right get wound up.
There were a few telltale signs, and then you run the (I was going to write HIS) comments through an AI program and it is pretty definitive.
Granted, "armed insurrection" is hyperbole. I'm not sure why the normally objective Cizzilla chose that phrase. A few of the protestors used clubs, flagpoles and whatnot to damage property and inflict bodily harm. "Riot" is probably the most accurate word to describe what happened that day.
"Court records and eyewitness accounts confirm that rioters possessed a variety of weapons, including firearms, knives, tasers, and makeshift weapons like flagpoles, fire extinguishers, and axes. Federal prosecutors charged at least 180 defendants with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon. Additionally, pipe bombs were discovered outside the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican National Committees."
'Members of organized extremist groups, such as the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, participated in the attack with a coordinated effort. Leaders of these groups were convicted of seditious conspiracy, a charge that implies organized plotting against the government."
"The ultimate goal of the rioters was to disrupt the constitutional process of certifying the 2020 election results and prevent the peaceful transfer of power."
Yes, all of that is correct.
And all of that is more than just a riot.
Hyperbole has always been the currency of partisan politics. Both sides wallow in it and those on the edges even believe it. My criticism - or agreement with Leva - was directed at Cizzilla.
The CLEAR objective was an insurrection - and some were armed - stop whitewashing.
As far as I know, none of the rioters was charged with the crime of "insurrection." Is that incorrect? Even if you think of Jan 6th that way, 800 (?) or so participants out of a population of 340,000,000 is pretty weak tea as insurrections go.
Bc he’s a hater!
He just can’t help himself. Been spending to much time with the likes of Chuck Todd ( 🤢 )!
That didn’t happen and it was all conjecture. Considering Cheney violated law and congressional protocol by pre-coordinating with a witness (Hutchinson) the case died…literally
That is not what the charges said and if they did then Al Gore would be guilty.
The charges said Trump KNEW the election was fair, but was promoting a false conspiracy that it wasn’t fair. That was the legal basis. Like me selling a piece of equipment to the government that I knew didn’t work but said it did to win a contract.
The charges relied on the fallacy of having to know Trump’s inner thoughts. The government can’t regulate anyone’s belief system. If I say the election was unfair, I cannot be convicted. The entire insurrection narrative is phony and can only be won in a civil court.
Like Giuliani having to pay hundreds of millions to election workers because he ruined their reputation.
We dodged a bullet with Harris because this BS would continue.
Yawn.
There were multiple witnesses who heard T say, at different times, that he knew he lost the election, and that it was not rigged. Multiple witnesses too that say they expressly told him that he lost and that there was no evidence of fraud. With that, it is very easy to prove what he knew.
Then bring it! Bring facts! Guy is being condescending like he is the Illuminati when he cited a guy who was not at J6 and not charged with any J6 crimes as to proof there was an insurrection.
So according to you Coffman (a guy with guns, pistols, and Molotov cocktails) was actually part of the J6 riot but they gave him a hall pass? A mulligan huh?
Just like falsely calling it an insurrection, the desperation to link Coffman to J6 is pathetic. If we count him…that makes 4 gun charges. Most heavily armed group in America decided to launch an insurrection with bike racks, bear spray and zip ties. Gimme a break.
From the transcript below the sentencing judge says nobody knows why he was there…except you!
“This is clearly your writing, in your views — I appreciate that,” Kollar-Kotelly said. “I think his letter shows remorse and an understanding that this was something he should not have done.”
But one question that remains, she said, is: “What was the purpose of driving to the nation’s capital with the weapons?”
“I think you’ve learned your lesson,” she told Coffman, “[but] I still don’t have an answer to the question.”
That day also included attempts by the exevutive office to install fake electors, and attempted to pressure members of Congress to uncinstotutionally delay the certification of the electoral college vote, and, the executive brought that crowd to DC on that very day for the purpose of stopping the Constitutionally mandated certification of the electoral college vote and of the election. The executivr even refused to call in the National Guard in hopes the insurrection would succeed.
All together it was an attempt at an insurrection to overthrow the elected governmemt and install the loser of the election instead.
If some of the participants were duped into it by believing all the lies the executive spewed about the election, and did not realize they were attempting an insurrection does not mean that one was not attempted.
Lonnie Coffman did not participate in the J6 riots.
Lonnie Coffman’s vehicle was parked in SE DC next to the RNC HQ and found during a security sweep.
However, the left wing media (consistent with Kirk ‘s assassin) somehow conflated Coffman with J6 despite being parked next to the RNC HQ.
You just did the same! You erroneously cited Coffman as a J6 participant while being condescending to me.
"As of January 6, 2022, it was illegal to carry a firearm publicly in Washington D.C. without a license. Strict regulations required all firearms in the district to be registered, and carrying a pistol without a license was a felony offense."
"Registration was mandatory:
All firearms in the district had to be registered with the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD)."
"On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia, the defendant LONNIE LEROY COFFMAN did possess certain ammunition, . 223 caliber rounds, without being the holder of a valid registration certificate for a firearm. (Unlawful Possession of Ammunition), in violation of 7 D.C. Code§ 2506.0l(a)(3) (2001 ed.))"
He was pled guilty to 2 counts of illegal possession of am unregisteted firearm and components of molotov cocktails a federal crime, and sentenced to 46 months.
But I bet you think he walked towards the Capitol during the riot because he was there as a tourist and did not intend to participate in any insurrection. That's why he had hundreds of rounds of ammunition, a large capacity ammunition feeding device, a crossbow with bolts and a machete, along with several loaded firearms within reach of the drivers seat inside his truck.
I know he was convicted and anyone who carries knows DC’s gun laws.
Coffman did not participate in the J6 riots. He parked his vehicle in South East DC. His vehicle was found while sweeping around the RNC headquarters. Judge even said we still don’t know why you did this! Look it up.
Coffman’s arrest has become a propaganda tool for the left by linking a security incident with weapons (e.g.Molotov cocktails) to the J6 riots.
There were 3 weapons charges for J6. THREE.
Again it is preposterous that a group which is like six standard deviations to the right of gun ownership executed an armed insurrection with bear spray and bike racks.
Moronic to assert so which is why Coffman has become part of the lie.
Oh PUL-LEASE!!!
The one rewriting history and spewing propaganda is YOU and the Trump Cult.
Coffman was in DC BECAUSE of the 1/6 insurrection.
Photos of Coffman in the crowd at the Capitol were found by investigators and prosecutors say Coffman was living out of his truck for a week in Washington, DC.
You bet your ass I (and others) are being condescending to you because you are promoting Trump Cult propaganda and LIES!!!
The whitewashing of 1/6 by Trump and his gullible, ignorant followers is REPULSIVE and DISGUSTING!!!!
I've got to block you. You are super fucking annoying.
LOL Ok! Cause if you touch a buzzer in the capital the Republic can switch sides. Better bring some bear spray and bike racks to ensure success.
He exited his truck and was walking towards the Capitil during the riot. He was heavily armed for a battle, that is why he was there, , not for a tourist visit.
"Condescending to me"....come on, put your big boy or big girl pants on. Typing is a one dimensional communication....somewhere someone said " sticks and stones...."....isn't this what "owning the libs" is all about? LOL
Rewriting or whitewashing the events of January 6 is not just an act of political spin, it’s a direct threat to the health of our democracy. What’s most dangerous isn’t just the loss of bipartisan condemnation or the rise of conspiracy theories, but the collective amnesia that takes hold when truth is allowed to slip away unnoticed. If the facts of January 6, violent disruption by crowds fueled on deliberate misinformation, are blurred or denied, Americans risk losing the very foundation needed for public accountability. Upholding what actually happened that day is not partisan; it’s how a democracy protects itself from ongoing distortion and future erosion of the rule of law
The beatings will continue until moral improves!
Imagine how it feels to be a conservative straight laced law abiding FBI agent, many former military, and passed background checks and highly educated, and have a republican president declaring war on you and your coworkers.
You've devoted your entire adult life to protecting this country, you probably are as far from being a left leaning progressive as it gets, and the leader of your country is doing everything he can to vilify you.
Still can't hate the guy?
Democracy was stretched on 1/6/21. It broke on 1/20/25. Look at what he’s done in eight months.
Of course Trump is “just keeps on trying to rewrite the history of January 6th”.
That is what authoritarians and dictators do.
He is also rewriting much of our history with the disgusting white supremacist whitewashing of American society and art by both hiding what racists like Trump do not like and making up racist lies to demonize and de-humanize all except white men.
When will people realize that almost everything Trump says is untruthful or wrong(e.g.- Tylenol). As in that classic Seinfeld episode where George just does the opposite, if Trump says it, you take the opposite side. You’ll be more right than wrong
Most prolific liar in American history.
The only fake news is the unending stream of BS pouring out of the mouths of Trump and his minions.
DJT's mission accomplished. You, and a lot of the media, are talking about the FBI and Jan 6 today, NOT the Epstein files or high inflation.
are we surprised. Flood the zone. See what sticks!
When will we finally stop arguing about the reality that Trump is all about chaos, all the time. He’s not trying to fix anything. He doesn’t want to work with anybody. He wants chaos. And when people offer to work with him, he finds a way out of it, or twists it to make himself look better in his eyes and those of his base. How do you work with someone like that? It’s a moving target that you can’t hit. Ever.
You asked a question that I keep pondering in my head....Does Donald Trump believe what he says? I ask this of many conservative pundits as well. Do the Trumps/Kirks/Calrsons/Hannities/etc of the world believe everything they say or do they see it as a means for profit/power? I could almost offer some respect if they truly believe what they say and are acting on those beliefs, but if all this is done as a center for profit generation (as I suspect it is) or as a way to consolidate power then it is truly truly disgusting.
I’m waiting impatiently for the mid-term elections, which should restore congressional oversight of Trump and his lawless administration.
If Trump doesn't steal the mid-term election.
And all right-wing media apparatus will back this claim. And all their followers will take it as truth. Misinformation ensues. Lather, rinse, repeat.
To understand Trump,,, look up "malignant narcissist" psychologist Dr John Gartner
podcasts Shrinking Trump
Explains Everything
Trump trying to change, not bend, history is so very shocking! Who would think that the liar in chief would alter history?
DJT does a great Tommy Flanagan impression. He pardons 1500 convicted rioters and then says 'It waaaaassss....rouge....law enforcement! Ya! Rouge law enforcement! That's the ticket!"'....