I’ve got another reason why a Republican ( read Fascist) candidate should win in 2024.
The unending dumbing down of the great American electorate to the point where a razor thin majority of voters are under educated, uninformed, and content with their ignorance and stupidity.
And the razor thin margin is only going to grow into a clear majority.
If you think the citizens are poorly educated now, just wait till this elementary school cohort is voting age. The dumbing of students is deliberate. Authoritarians depend on people who can’t do critical thinking, do t have media literacy, don’t know history and weren’t taught civics.
Mix in some misinformation and disinformation, AI and foreign interference and we’re in big trouble.
Along those lines, CNN yesterday ran a video of 10 year-olds being asked some basic questions by a psychologist about the two presidential candidates. Even at that tender age, these kids were depressingly as polarized as adults seem to be, even showing the same red state/blue state divide.
Exactly. God help this nation. Our once core values are being steadily eroded before our eyes. Regardless of whether the MAGA horde is held off in November, the inevitability of a descent into chaos is a fact.
Second comment. In all the discussion about why the Republicans should win the presidency, and why they aren’t —- I am just gobsmacked, that the fact Trump is a convicted felon, convicted of sexual assault, convicted of defamation (and fined $83M) and convicted of fraud - the the tune of $450M doesn’t even deserve a mention. Beyond appalling.
Please, Convicted Felon Trump was NOT "convicted of sexual assault... defamation... [or] fraud." Those were NOT criminal trials, they were civil suits. He was held LIABLE for those things. Words matter. (And the standards for proof are different for criminal convictions and civil liability.)
Point taken. I should have used a semi colon after “convicted felon” - and added “convicted of election interference.” Then start a new sentence about the myriad civil cases where he was held liable. I’m not a lawyer, but I do know there are different standards of proof for criminal and civil proceedings. (I feel like the whole country has been in law school the past couple years). However, to a layman like me, the fact that he was adjudicated to be at fault in those proceedings = guilty. But my point remains the same. How come any one of these is not a disqualifier? Why is it that none of this was even in the discussion?
What was the missing piece in a lot of polling in 2016? If I recall, many people did not admit they were voting for Trump. This was corrected in 2020, or, by that time folks were proud MAGAs. Now in 2024, how many supposed MAGA members will not admit to not voting for Trump, when the rubber hits the road on election day? Could there be a semi-blue wave that follows on the heels of 2022?
I dunno, but my instincts (which are very Rust Belt) say that could be a factor in MI and PA polling. Ohio too, but Trump still wins there. Oh, and I commented before all the recent stuff came out that Mark Robinson would drag Trump to hell here in NC. Still standing by that. Harris wins NC.
As a never Trump Republican since 2015, I resent the hell out of the zero information RINO's in the MAGAsphere who are forcing people like me to vote for democrats. Those folks are playing games with our electoral process, treating it like a reality show, while their noxious hero plans a hostile takeover of our country. Way to go, bozos.
To the bit in the first story about GOP’ers (pronounced goopers) looking back and saying they missed an easy layup. They are already doing that with the PA senator race (Dr Oz), the loss of the 2 senate seats in Georgia, the 2020 election, the non-red wave in 2022 - and who was the common denominator? Hmmm, give me a minute…
I canvass in Northern Virginia and find voters are aware of Project 2025. I mention the idea of firing federal civil servants and replacing them with MAGA people, since we are home to many federal workers. But, the project is so vast, I'm sure there are issues that appeal in other areas. Pick your adventure!
Iam skeptical of polls generally and now even more skeptical about this Gallup survey.survey. The sample composition ans their demographics are unknown. Ditto their methodology.
Having said that, it looks like the sample contains more Republicans than Democrats( 48% vs 41%). So then that should explain why the responses tilt towards the Republicans. I will take the survey results with a pinch of salt and it would be a mistake to use the results to make any assumptions.
Ryan Adams is a problematic person. And then, if you ever meet him, he is so off-putting and self-absorbed you will forever disconnect yourself from any positive thoughts or feelings about his music.
I totally disagree that immigration is one of the two main issues of the election, no matter what Gallup says. I think health care is a bigger issue in the US among everyone, and Democrats are certainly trusted more along those lines.
e challenge to your point Chris is exactly what you wrote — more people in a Trump-identified world claim to be or lean R than ever before. Your supposition is that they’d do better with Haley or Desantis, but the very stat you cite argues the other way. I’m not saying that to defend Trump, rather to point out the flaw in the logic you put forth. Trump loses some Rs yet makes plays at places Rs never really thought possible—it’s a fascinating political conundrum for sure.
AOC for Mayor? Sure, but as a stepping stone to what. She’s always for her eyes on the next prize. That said, she’s a talented politician who should never be underestimated.
And P2025? Of course. All it has had is negative ads run against it. Nobody actually knows what it says (maybe the politically attuned here excepted). It’s a political bogeyman. Good political strategy though in turning into a namesake. Only risk to it is if any equivalent emerges and the right seizes on it, but that’d all be future-oriented so for winning in 2024 it is sound political strategy.
Project 2025 is on line if you want to read it...I suggest you do as you seem dismissive about its negative impacts on YOUR freedoms and how the government will be weaponized to snuff out dissent...it's not a bogeyman...
Ignore my point and redirect—classic political tactic. I’ve read it. I’m just not naïve enough to actually expect its implementation.
My points still hold. It’s a political bogeyman with nothing behind it. But, again, credit to Biden and then Harris’ team for largely keeping the same stuff behind the scenes.
Echo chambers are good too if you want to hear yourself. Any idiot claiming to me P2025 would be mostly implemented in today’s political climate is someone for whom I have a lot of amazing lunar landscapes for sale. It’s not consistency, it’s brutal honesty. There’s a difference.
Consistency is good, except when you are wrong...and you are either wrong or woefully uninformed or worse, intentionally obtuse...project 2025 is the dismantling of the current government and replacing it with an intrusive form of government...
Agreed 💯. There’s nothing that’s a “political bogeyman” about Project 2025, especially given the overwhelming majority of those involved were in Trump’s administration. And to think that Biden-Harris, or ANY Democrat, has anything like the wholesale dismantling of the federal government in mind, secretively or not, is delusional and is clearly conspiracy theory thinking.
Can’t remember who to attribute this to, but a very thoughtful and accurate description is: “Those that believe in conspiracy theories are the ones that know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about how ANYTHING actually works.”
Everyone here knows you're a Trumper. But you don't have to be delusional about it. This election -- sadly -- will be very close. It shouldn't be. Convicted Felon Trump and his lying running mate JD Vance -- or whatever his name is this week -- ought to be rejected in a landslide.
I’ve got another reason why a Republican ( read Fascist) candidate should win in 2024.
The unending dumbing down of the great American electorate to the point where a razor thin majority of voters are under educated, uninformed, and content with their ignorance and stupidity.
And the razor thin margin is only going to grow into a clear majority.
If you think the citizens are poorly educated now, just wait till this elementary school cohort is voting age. The dumbing of students is deliberate. Authoritarians depend on people who can’t do critical thinking, do t have media literacy, don’t know history and weren’t taught civics.
Mix in some misinformation and disinformation, AI and foreign interference and we’re in big trouble.
Along those lines, CNN yesterday ran a video of 10 year-olds being asked some basic questions by a psychologist about the two presidential candidates. Even at that tender age, these kids were depressingly as polarized as adults seem to be, even showing the same red state/blue state divide.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25/politics/video/kids-study-politics-trump-harris-ac360-pkg-digvid
Exactly. God help this nation. Our once core values are being steadily eroded before our eyes. Regardless of whether the MAGA horde is held off in November, the inevitability of a descent into chaos is a fact.
Second comment. In all the discussion about why the Republicans should win the presidency, and why they aren’t —- I am just gobsmacked, that the fact Trump is a convicted felon, convicted of sexual assault, convicted of defamation (and fined $83M) and convicted of fraud - the the tune of $450M doesn’t even deserve a mention. Beyond appalling.
Please, Convicted Felon Trump was NOT "convicted of sexual assault... defamation... [or] fraud." Those were NOT criminal trials, they were civil suits. He was held LIABLE for those things. Words matter. (And the standards for proof are different for criminal convictions and civil liability.)
Point taken. I should have used a semi colon after “convicted felon” - and added “convicted of election interference.” Then start a new sentence about the myriad civil cases where he was held liable. I’m not a lawyer, but I do know there are different standards of proof for criminal and civil proceedings. (I feel like the whole country has been in law school the past couple years). However, to a layman like me, the fact that he was adjudicated to be at fault in those proceedings = guilty. But my point remains the same. How come any one of these is not a disqualifier? Why is it that none of this was even in the discussion?
What was the missing piece in a lot of polling in 2016? If I recall, many people did not admit they were voting for Trump. This was corrected in 2020, or, by that time folks were proud MAGAs. Now in 2024, how many supposed MAGA members will not admit to not voting for Trump, when the rubber hits the road on election day? Could there be a semi-blue wave that follows on the heels of 2022?
I dunno, but my instincts (which are very Rust Belt) say that could be a factor in MI and PA polling. Ohio too, but Trump still wins there. Oh, and I commented before all the recent stuff came out that Mark Robinson would drag Trump to hell here in NC. Still standing by that. Harris wins NC.
As a never Trump Republican since 2015, I resent the hell out of the zero information RINO's in the MAGAsphere who are forcing people like me to vote for democrats. Those folks are playing games with our electoral process, treating it like a reality show, while their noxious hero plans a hostile takeover of our country. Way to go, bozos.
To the bit in the first story about GOP’ers (pronounced goopers) looking back and saying they missed an easy layup. They are already doing that with the PA senator race (Dr Oz), the loss of the 2 senate seats in Georgia, the 2020 election, the non-red wave in 2022 - and who was the common denominator? Hmmm, give me a minute…
I canvass in Northern Virginia and find voters are aware of Project 2025. I mention the idea of firing federal civil servants and replacing them with MAGA people, since we are home to many federal workers. But, the project is so vast, I'm sure there are issues that appeal in other areas. Pick your adventure!
No offense Chris, but I'll take Lichtman's keys over your indicators any day of the week.
Agreed 100%.
Me too Paul Barry!!
Iam skeptical of polls generally and now even more skeptical about this Gallup survey.survey. The sample composition ans their demographics are unknown. Ditto their methodology.
Having said that, it looks like the sample contains more Republicans than Democrats( 48% vs 41%). So then that should explain why the responses tilt towards the Republicans. I will take the survey results with a pinch of salt and it would be a mistake to use the results to make any assumptions.
The Republicans were over sampled there
Immigration not an issue
Abortion is
Ryan Adams is a problematic person. And then, if you ever meet him, he is so off-putting and self-absorbed you will forever disconnect yourself from any positive thoughts or feelings about his music.
A real chode that guy.
I totally disagree that immigration is one of the two main issues of the election, no matter what Gallup says. I think health care is a bigger issue in the US among everyone, and Democrats are certainly trusted more along those lines.
the confused American voter...they hate Project 2025, but still lean republican...the American education system has filed way too many people...
e challenge to your point Chris is exactly what you wrote — more people in a Trump-identified world claim to be or lean R than ever before. Your supposition is that they’d do better with Haley or Desantis, but the very stat you cite argues the other way. I’m not saying that to defend Trump, rather to point out the flaw in the logic you put forth. Trump loses some Rs yet makes plays at places Rs never really thought possible—it’s a fascinating political conundrum for sure.
AOC for Mayor? Sure, but as a stepping stone to what. She’s always for her eyes on the next prize. That said, she’s a talented politician who should never be underestimated.
And P2025? Of course. All it has had is negative ads run against it. Nobody actually knows what it says (maybe the politically attuned here excepted). It’s a political bogeyman. Good political strategy though in turning into a namesake. Only risk to it is if any equivalent emerges and the right seizes on it, but that’d all be future-oriented so for winning in 2024 it is sound political strategy.
Project 2025 is on line if you want to read it...I suggest you do as you seem dismissive about its negative impacts on YOUR freedoms and how the government will be weaponized to snuff out dissent...it's not a bogeyman...
Ignore my point and redirect—classic political tactic. I’ve read it. I’m just not naïve enough to actually expect its implementation.
My points still hold. It’s a political bogeyman with nothing behind it. But, again, credit to Biden and then Harris’ team for largely keeping the same stuff behind the scenes.
Echo chambers are good too if you want to hear yourself. Any idiot claiming to me P2025 would be mostly implemented in today’s political climate is someone for whom I have a lot of amazing lunar landscapes for sale. It’s not consistency, it’s brutal honesty. There’s a difference.
Consistency is good, except when you are wrong...and you are either wrong or woefully uninformed or worse, intentionally obtuse...project 2025 is the dismantling of the current government and replacing it with an intrusive form of government...
Agreed 💯. There’s nothing that’s a “political bogeyman” about Project 2025, especially given the overwhelming majority of those involved were in Trump’s administration. And to think that Biden-Harris, or ANY Democrat, has anything like the wholesale dismantling of the federal government in mind, secretively or not, is delusional and is clearly conspiracy theory thinking.
Can’t remember who to attribute this to, but a very thoughtful and accurate description is: “Those that believe in conspiracy theories are the ones that know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about how ANYTHING actually works.”
Luckily for the GOP if VP Harris wins she will continue the war in both the Ukraine and Israel and the neo-con movement will never die.
Eric Adams' administration has been one never-ending scandal after another. His campaign was a never-ending headache too.
Every 9/11, I always think of Ryan Adams' New York New York video
He will, it won’t even bd close
Everyone here knows you're a Trumper. But you don't have to be delusional about it. This election -- sadly -- will be very close. It shouldn't be. Convicted Felon Trump and his lying running mate JD Vance -- or whatever his name is this week -- ought to be rejected in a landslide.