She's already supporting the Senate bill that Biden reluctantly agreed to, which was created with a very conservative Republican Senator, one that everyone agreed could not possibly pass if Biden won re-election. It was said to be so far right that it was considered a once-in-a-generation opportunity for those changes and Trump killed it. It was also endorsed by the Border Patrol union. It's a huge move for her to endorse it. She's also visiting Arizona with Senator Mark Kelly, who I assume endorsed it as well.
To say that she should now change a key part of her campaign platform, defying what the Border Patrol wanted and local Dem Senators wanted, seems likely to backfire as well as being inauthentic and a cheap shot.
It is so much smarter to say, Trump killed this very complete, real-world bill that could already have made major changes if it had become law after right-wing Republicans and Democrats in the Senate created it, because he's all about messaging and has no interest in governing or helping the public (a million percent true, which is beginning to dawn on people). I'm an actual leader who wants to make much-needed changes and have supported it from day one of my campaign because I want to get things done and help people, not score points like Trump without ever doing so.
>My radical proposal? Harris should, sometime soon, break publicly with Biden on the border. Say something like “We believed the policies we put in place were the right ones. They have not worked as well as we had hoped. I have a new and tougher plan.”
But they did have a new and tougher plan. That Trump napalmed to help his own election chances. That's what they should be talking about
Yes, I’m very polite, my mother raised me very well!
I just have no sense of humor for idiocy! That’s what that comment was, pure idiocy. Dems have been in charge, the border is a mess, certainly not President Trumps fault. Excuses, like my high school football coach loved to say, are a sign of weakness.
You do realize that he instructed his minions in the House to vote down the bipartisan border bill written by extremely conservative Republican James Lankford because the bill might solve some problems. He wanted things to stay a mess so that he could campaign on the border problems, right? You conveniently ignored that part of the original comment.
I'm also confused about how your mother raised you having anything to do with the discussion. "Gullible" has nothing to do with being polite.
Dems have not "been in charge" of the House. That's why DonOld was able to give his cultists in the House the order to kill the border deal.
Certainly you know that...? Plz, tell us that you at least have that kind of basic knowledge of current affairs. We're getting worried. Could it be that you're that badly uninformed? C'mon Dude, do your homework.
What would YOU call it when Democrats in the Senate agreed to the most conservative border bill in a generation (I doubt you’ve read Sen. Lankford’s <R-OK> bill, but you might want to know something about this BEFORE you show us again that we can’t take you seriously), and Trump is KNOWN to have called Speaker Mike Johnson and told him to kill the bill?
You can remain blind if you like, but if you can’t even bother to understand the issues, don’t bother to comment. You’re just wasting everyone’s time and highlighting your ignorance.
I don't understand what this is supposed to be, but you don't really address the substance so you can put blinders on while you stick your fingers in your ear and deny reality.
People may support the concept or idea of mass deportation in theory, however, I sense they will blanch when they see it in practice - families in cages, and handcuffs, stories of legal US Citizens being grabbed up in these roundups by overzealous police (e.g., Sheriff Zuchowski of Portage County, Ohio), orders to roundup legal immigrants, etc., etc. At that point, there will be a massive outcry to stop the practice, similar to the separation of families at the border. Over and over, some ideas are considered okay or workable in concept, and then when those ideas are implemented, the support for them evaporates. I sense this is what will happen with mass deportation as well.
All true. Also, mass deportations would create a huge labor crisis, which would be sure to reignite inflation. The right loves to vilify the “others,” but the truth is we need significant immigration to keep our economy growing.
Harris is leading in the polls with or without the immigration issue. I don't think going to the border is going change any voter's mind about Harris and immigration now. It's just symbolic at best. The good news though is that Harris is going to WIN in November, immigration be damned. Trump will continue to exploit immigration but it's not going to work. Remember the Caravan in 2022 that did not work
Personal stuff always plays into politics and business, like it or not. I would hazard a guess that VP Harris is very reluctant on a personal level to roll over Pres Biden that way. I agree though, and think your approach would be awesome.
Trump and his campaign have pushed so much false information about immigrants and it's scary. Then when the misinformation is debunked by REPUBLICAN officials people tune the truth out 🤦♀️
"Fixing" immigration is SO MUCH more complex than "just" the situation at the southern border. While the border situation is certainly a symptom - it is just that, a symptom of a much larger set of challenges. (no one talks about the issues with the H1-B visa process as one example) The border thing is very visible and therefore somewhat easy to understand for most mortal human beings, and it can be exploited for political posturing. Harris needs to be careful not be drawn into a border security food fight, cuz that is where the other side wants to go.
What needs fixing is the entire immigration system. That is a complex, multifaceted, and very challenging set of intertwined factors. It will take years of concentrated work (not something governments are very good at) and is not something that can be easily translated in to 30 sec. news sound bites.
Trump’s a fascists —raging over the border thing (a real problem in need of real solutions) is Trump’s favorite phony act to stir up his base (who believe his 40,000 lies so far) so they will blindly vote for him!
This is a golden opportunity for Vice-President Harris to call out the hypocrisy and blatant political posturing of Donald J Trump. It is not a waste of time of time in any sense. Americans want a coherent border and immigration policy. Mass roundups of black and brown folks, and detention camps, are not a solution,and we all know it. I am delighted that Harris is going to rub Trump’s ugly mug in his own incompetence.
Those who oppose her will just make fun of the trip. But these are not serious people as there is no desire to make improvements in our government. It's about politics only and wanting to change our check and balance system. My only wish is Congress will do something about immigration law after the election. I see how people totally misunderstand how immigration policy works now since Trump started doing all EOs instead of working with Congress to do their work. EOs were designed for emergency situations like Covid. All Western countries have immigration laws reflecting current times. Ours date back to the 1950s?? At least there is a bill that could move forward. It's a smart bill.
Ha ha ha she is being shamed into it for purely political reasons. Absolutely the last place she wants to go! She hasn’t done anything but close her eyes and ears on the border the entire time she’s been VP.
That is what happened. They did agree to a bipartisan border dealer negotiated by James Lankford and Trump had a fit because he didn't want Biden to have a legislative victory.
You're just flat wrong on this one, Dutch. The Dems finally agreed to a conservative border bill and got it passed in the Senate. Trump killed the deal in the House for political reasons. Trump wants to keep people like you angry rather than solve the problem. (Changing to different topics - high gas prices?? - just means that your argument is weak and you know it.)
Two comments, one no matter how the FOX interview goes, Trump will say it was terrible and that the interviewer was not hard enough, I know a layup of an opinion
Two, if I was Harris I would say something like, of course, I disagreed on somethings with Biden and I told him, but as Vice President, my responsibility, was once he made a decision, was to back him publicly 100%, and as long as he is still President, and I am his Vice President,I will not be giving examples of our disagreements , and that is what I expect from Walz, that he will tell me privately what what he believes I am doing wrong so I can reconsider my position , but do not air our differences in public, I can only hope if Trump is elected that he allows Vance to give him advice, but unfortunately Trump have said over and over that he is always right, and will not listen to anybody else.
She's already supporting the Senate bill that Biden reluctantly agreed to, which was created with a very conservative Republican Senator, one that everyone agreed could not possibly pass if Biden won re-election. It was said to be so far right that it was considered a once-in-a-generation opportunity for those changes and Trump killed it. It was also endorsed by the Border Patrol union. It's a huge move for her to endorse it. She's also visiting Arizona with Senator Mark Kelly, who I assume endorsed it as well.
To say that she should now change a key part of her campaign platform, defying what the Border Patrol wanted and local Dem Senators wanted, seems likely to backfire as well as being inauthentic and a cheap shot.
It is so much smarter to say, Trump killed this very complete, real-world bill that could already have made major changes if it had become law after right-wing Republicans and Democrats in the Senate created it, because he's all about messaging and has no interest in governing or helping the public (a million percent true, which is beginning to dawn on people). I'm an actual leader who wants to make much-needed changes and have supported it from day one of my campaign because I want to get things done and help people, not score points like Trump without ever doing so.
Exactly right. She has stated a clear policy. No need to alter it. The trip can highlight that she is about solutions. Trump is about hollow rhetoric.
>My radical proposal? Harris should, sometime soon, break publicly with Biden on the border. Say something like “We believed the policies we put in place were the right ones. They have not worked as well as we had hoped. I have a new and tougher plan.”
But they did have a new and tougher plan. That Trump napalmed to help his own election chances. That's what they should be talking about
President Trumps fault!
Ha ha ha heh heh heh!
Slap knee and gasp, stop stop your cracking me up! 😂
I wondered yesterday if you could be as gullible as you seem.
I'm no longer wondering.
Yes, I’m very polite, my mother raised me very well!
I just have no sense of humor for idiocy! That’s what that comment was, pure idiocy. Dems have been in charge, the border is a mess, certainly not President Trumps fault. Excuses, like my high school football coach loved to say, are a sign of weakness.
You do realize that he instructed his minions in the House to vote down the bipartisan border bill written by extremely conservative Republican James Lankford because the bill might solve some problems. He wanted things to stay a mess so that he could campaign on the border problems, right? You conveniently ignored that part of the original comment.
I'm also confused about how your mother raised you having anything to do with the discussion. "Gullible" has nothing to do with being polite.
Republicans control the House.
Dutch
Dems have not "been in charge" of the House. That's why DonOld was able to give his cultists in the House the order to kill the border deal.
Certainly you know that...? Plz, tell us that you at least have that kind of basic knowledge of current affairs. We're getting worried. Could it be that you're that badly uninformed? C'mon Dude, do your homework.
What would YOU call it when Democrats in the Senate agreed to the most conservative border bill in a generation (I doubt you’ve read Sen. Lankford’s <R-OK> bill, but you might want to know something about this BEFORE you show us again that we can’t take you seriously), and Trump is KNOWN to have called Speaker Mike Johnson and told him to kill the bill?
You can remain blind if you like, but if you can’t even bother to understand the issues, don’t bother to comment. You’re just wasting everyone’s time and highlighting your ignorance.
I don't understand what this is supposed to be, but you don't really address the substance so you can put blinders on while you stick your fingers in your ear and deny reality.
People may support the concept or idea of mass deportation in theory, however, I sense they will blanch when they see it in practice - families in cages, and handcuffs, stories of legal US Citizens being grabbed up in these roundups by overzealous police (e.g., Sheriff Zuchowski of Portage County, Ohio), orders to roundup legal immigrants, etc., etc. At that point, there will be a massive outcry to stop the practice, similar to the separation of families at the border. Over and over, some ideas are considered okay or workable in concept, and then when those ideas are implemented, the support for them evaporates. I sense this is what will happen with mass deportation as well.
All true. Also, mass deportations would create a huge labor crisis, which would be sure to reignite inflation. The right loves to vilify the “others,” but the truth is we need significant immigration to keep our economy growing.
Harris is leading in the polls with or without the immigration issue. I don't think going to the border is going change any voter's mind about Harris and immigration now. It's just symbolic at best. The good news though is that Harris is going to WIN in November, immigration be damned. Trump will continue to exploit immigration but it's not going to work. Remember the Caravan in 2022 that did not work
Personal stuff always plays into politics and business, like it or not. I would hazard a guess that VP Harris is very reluctant on a personal level to roll over Pres Biden that way. I agree though, and think your approach would be awesome.
Trump and his campaign have pushed so much false information about immigrants and it's scary. Then when the misinformation is debunked by REPUBLICAN officials people tune the truth out 🤦♀️
Forget the border. Harris should hold a rally in Springfield, Ohio.
That too!
"Fixing" immigration is SO MUCH more complex than "just" the situation at the southern border. While the border situation is certainly a symptom - it is just that, a symptom of a much larger set of challenges. (no one talks about the issues with the H1-B visa process as one example) The border thing is very visible and therefore somewhat easy to understand for most mortal human beings, and it can be exploited for political posturing. Harris needs to be careful not be drawn into a border security food fight, cuz that is where the other side wants to go.
What needs fixing is the entire immigration system. That is a complex, multifaceted, and very challenging set of intertwined factors. It will take years of concentrated work (not something governments are very good at) and is not something that can be easily translated in to 30 sec. news sound bites.
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Trump’s a fascists —raging over the border thing (a real problem in need of real solutions) is Trump’s favorite phony act to stir up his base (who believe his 40,000 lies so far) so they will blindly vote for him!
This is a golden opportunity for Vice-President Harris to call out the hypocrisy and blatant political posturing of Donald J Trump. It is not a waste of time of time in any sense. Americans want a coherent border and immigration policy. Mass roundups of black and brown folks, and detention camps, are not a solution,and we all know it. I am delighted that Harris is going to rub Trump’s ugly mug in his own incompetence.
Those who oppose her will just make fun of the trip. But these are not serious people as there is no desire to make improvements in our government. It's about politics only and wanting to change our check and balance system. My only wish is Congress will do something about immigration law after the election. I see how people totally misunderstand how immigration policy works now since Trump started doing all EOs instead of working with Congress to do their work. EOs were designed for emergency situations like Covid. All Western countries have immigration laws reflecting current times. Ours date back to the 1950s?? At least there is a bill that could move forward. It's a smart bill.
Speaking of trips, your a trip Chris. In a good way.
So your solution is she should lie some more. Got it.
Ha ha ha she is being shamed into it for purely political reasons. Absolutely the last place she wants to go! She hasn’t done anything but close her eyes and ears on the border the entire time she’s been VP.
Maybe she will want to build a wall… ha ha ha
Trump is the one who nuked a border deal
Yes, stick with that! Border wide open for years and it’s President Trump’s fault.
I think high gas prices are his fault too and inflation and the Afghanistan withdrawal, blah blah blah!
That is what happened. They did agree to a bipartisan border dealer negotiated by James Lankford and Trump had a fit because he didn't want Biden to have a legislative victory.
You're just flat wrong on this one, Dutch. The Dems finally agreed to a conservative border bill and got it passed in the Senate. Trump killed the deal in the House for political reasons. Trump wants to keep people like you angry rather than solve the problem. (Changing to different topics - high gas prices?? - just means that your argument is weak and you know it.)
Dutch is never going to admit this. He seems to live in a different reality.
Two comments, one no matter how the FOX interview goes, Trump will say it was terrible and that the interviewer was not hard enough, I know a layup of an opinion
Two, if I was Harris I would say something like, of course, I disagreed on somethings with Biden and I told him, but as Vice President, my responsibility, was once he made a decision, was to back him publicly 100%, and as long as he is still President, and I am his Vice President,I will not be giving examples of our disagreements , and that is what I expect from Walz, that he will tell me privately what what he believes I am doing wrong so I can reconsider my position , but do not air our differences in public, I can only hope if Trump is elected that he allows Vance to give him advice, but unfortunately Trump have said over and over that he is always right, and will not listen to anybody else.
Smart idea! Why aren’t they listening to you?? 🤪