WRT to Trump not leaving. Chris, you keep thinking and talking like the Rule of Law is a thing in MAGA world. First, he already broke his oath of office to uphold the Constitution when he attempted the coup - he tried to overthrow the government. So why would the Constitution bother him again? He said just a few days ago, “I shouldn’t have left.” But more important, take a look at what he’s talking about now. A panel to fire generals who don’t agree with him. Using the military against other people within the country. Trying to get Gaetz in at DOJ, firing Chris Wray at FBI and Kash Patel??? he’ll get two more SCOTUS picks and trust me, the GOP will be packing the judiciary with judges whose only qualification will be “are you loyal to trump?” Within the next 4 years, he will command all those levers of power and who’s gonna stop him? The spineless toady Republicans?
Dutch, the thing ti remember is that winning an election doesn’t empower Trump to break the law or the constitution. If he does that and there’s no functioning constitutional mechanism to remove him, then Americans will do it regardless. It will be a free for all. Trump would be wise to behave himself.
There are many countries, including ours, where a revolution, or civil war by citizens addressed corruption and unconstitutional behavior directly. And quite nicely don’t you think?
His “I shouldn’t have left” comment was retruthing (is that the term?) his son’s post that said all these fears and nominees wouldn’t exist now because he’d be 2 months from being done. That’s hardly what you’d expect commentary to retruth if he expects to stay. Context matters.
I think so many of you are caught up with opinions about him that you miss things like that. Or maybe it’s because it doesn’t fit the narrative. I’d go with the former giving folks the benefit of the doubt.
On the plus side, if you’re all wagering these bets on poly then maybe I should take the other side. Hard to say no to a sucker bet.
“No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.”
We all thought the same thing about presidential immunity, and “no one is above the law!”
When it comes to Trump, nothing is out of bounds or reach. He’s already consolidating power behind the scenes and will emerge as the most powerful president ever to take office (immunity). He’s filling his ranks with incompetent yes men, and Project 2025 contributors, who mean business.
Additionally, his FCC chair, Carr, is already threatening to yank FCC licenses and reject the merger of Paramount and SkyeDance. Not to mention, he’s already setting up military tribunals (court martial), for admirals and generals, under the auspices of dereliction of duty, due to the Afghan withdrawal. And the two Inspector General’s of the CIA and Directorate of National Intelligence, have resigned because they expect an intelligence purge when Trump is inaugurated.
And we all know the type of people he wants for DOJ and the FBI? You still think vengeance and retribution aren’t on the menu?
So tell me, are you 100% positive he won’t be back in 2028, unless he’s in a coma or dead, or that the next elections will be fair and legitimate?
If and when Trump breaks the law and acts unconstitutionally, he won’t be protected by the Constitution. It will be a free for all. Citizens will remove him. With or without an election.
Elections have consequences. But that doesn’t empower him to do what he wants. He just becomes another thug. Like Putin.
Forcing recess appointments, prosecuting the generals, sending police from red states and the military into blue states to remove immigrants, jailing the media. These are things that are as unconstitutional as trying to run for a third term.
Do I think he will do these things he said he would do? Absolutely. And when he does it gives us an opportunity to do something about it. Because we either have laws EVERYONE follows or we don’t. And if we don’t, it’s every one for themselves. Trump isn’t a King. Even if a biased US Supreme Court has tried to make him one.
The impeachment clause of the Constitution is pretty clear too...
"...the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgement and Punishment, according to Law."
Which or course indicates that a president is in fact subject to "Indictment, Trial, Judgement and Punishment, according to Law." irrespective of getting impeached and removed from office or not.
Yet, THIS partisan Supreme Court ignored the very plain text and gave (presumably all presidents but this was tailor made for Trump) a "get out of jail free" card, granting ("limited" but not really limited) immunity that they simply CONJURED UP out our of THIN AIR.
Whatever seems "airtight" in the 22nd Amendment, with this court, may not be as "airtight" as one assumes.
Oh I think she should just say: “Ok, men’s room it is!” And then just walk in like, “How’s it hangin’ guys!” each time and make every congressman super uncomfortable until they beg her to use the Ladies room.
Nothing the president does as an official act is illegal. Staying in the White House passed check out time would be held out to be an official act. Once it gets litigate to the Supreme Court, only the will we know. How long will that take? Two or three years? More?
Here Trump's solution. "X" as the figurehead president in 2028 and Donald as Vice-President. Would there be a constitutional barrier to that? Hey, it worked for Putin when he stepped down as President and swapped Prime Minister with Dimitri Medvedev. And I don't believe there's a two-term limit on our Vice-President.
Yes, this one is easy. The 22nd Amendment says nothing of a former president who runs as vice president, and subsequently takes over as president when the elected person resigns. Republicans have shown no remorse for gaming the system!
This old jazz guy has had a soft spot in his musical heart for Dwight Yoakam since the mid-1980s. He's singing in a slightly lower range but Dwight's still got the chops. Great stuff! Thanks, Chris!
You’re forgetting he will have his people rig the election - Putin elections from now on. He will allow someone else in with him in control like he was controlling things in the house these past years maybe Don jr or Lara. There’s no way we can count on real elections anymore unless a miracle happens. The party who couldn’t beat him isn’t likely to regain control. There is the possibility he’ll be dead or impaired. Heritage will get their guy in there. They lined up behind the one guy who could win over people. They got this country away from democracy and they’re going to keep it that way.
Let us all just take a breath. I'm not thrilled with his cabinet nominations but that is the president's right. Even though he tried to distance himself from Project 2025 it seems like his playbook so Dems in office need to get smart and work to talk to their constituents to calm them and work to win as much as they can in 2026. Our democracy is important to all of us and we need to stick to truths and not go down rabbit holes.
The reality is that the Constitution is just a piece of paper, and if Republicans and Trump’s appointed government lackeys choose to ignore it, there is nothing anyone can do about it. They will think Democratic protests are precious, though.
Trump doesn't care about rules. Rules are for everyone but Trump. Haven't you all figured that out by now?
The Secret Service will escort him out? Seriously!?!? They are there to protect him. They are loyal to him. They will do whatever the Orange God-King tells them to do.
And thanks to his coming purge of the Military, his Generals will protect him as well.
Trump is laying the ground work to remain in office as long as he wants. Over the next two years he will continue to create an environment where it will be impossible to remove him from office.
It will be interesting to see who ends up heading the DNC. Emmanuel might be too much for them, but he also might be the type of leader they need. Landrieu would be another good pick. Every one else is just a want to be. As for AOC and her comment. She needs to get out of her bubble and see the rest of the US.
Harris in 2028. Not going to happen. Put a fork in her because she is done. Everyone makes excuses that she just didn't have enough time. Bull sh*t! She had plenty of time and she and her team squandered it. They should have aggressively put her into the media to get her story out and to push her agenda. But that is the thing, I don't think she's capable of extemporaneous thinking as was disastrously proven with the horrible answer on The View about changes the Biden Administration should have made. Unless she trains and gets better at that skill, she's a non-starter.
Behold! We read an interesting take on Bluesky - Vance could run for President, with Trump as Vice President, with the clear and unambiguous goal that Vance would resign on the 21st of January. This neatly sidesteps the restrictions of the 22nd Amendment (if you read the text carefully), since Trump never "held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President" , he would constitutionally be allowed to be President again for that additional term. This assumes that the Supreme Court decides that the "never held the office of President" clause is modified by the "for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President". Which we would submit: they would decide in such a way.
Now, to be clear, even under this interpretation, he would not be eligible for a fourth term. Although if the people vote to support this insane scheme, it suggests that the idea of constitutional limitations on Trump are adorably naive.
The problem with that notion is that a Vance/Trump ticket would not win in 2028. The voters in the US, as stupid as they seem, are not THAT stupid. In fact, Vance and Trump JR would not win, Vance and Barron would not win, Vance and anybody will not win in 2028. At least, Vance had better NOT win in 2028.
Or he's named Speaker of the House and two MAGAt shills run for Pres/VP and then resign.
Fantasy? One would hope. But there was a time not too long ago when the notion of a president being immune from prosecutition for his crimes was similarly unthinkable. And let's not even get into the bar against insurrectionists or the clear language of the emoluments clause. This Supreme Court is ready to ignore anything in the Constitution (except the Holy Second Amendment) if it stands in their way.
WRT to Trump not leaving. Chris, you keep thinking and talking like the Rule of Law is a thing in MAGA world. First, he already broke his oath of office to uphold the Constitution when he attempted the coup - he tried to overthrow the government. So why would the Constitution bother him again? He said just a few days ago, “I shouldn’t have left.” But more important, take a look at what he’s talking about now. A panel to fire generals who don’t agree with him. Using the military against other people within the country. Trying to get Gaetz in at DOJ, firing Chris Wray at FBI and Kash Patel??? he’ll get two more SCOTUS picks and trust me, the GOP will be packing the judiciary with judges whose only qualification will be “are you loyal to trump?” Within the next 4 years, he will command all those levers of power and who’s gonna stop him? The spineless toady Republicans?
Elections sure do have consequences don’t they?
Dutch, the thing ti remember is that winning an election doesn’t empower Trump to break the law or the constitution. If he does that and there’s no functioning constitutional mechanism to remove him, then Americans will do it regardless. It will be a free for all. Trump would be wise to behave himself.
There are many countries, including ours, where a revolution, or civil war by citizens addressed corruption and unconstitutional behavior directly. And quite nicely don’t you think?
So does following a grifter and making him the new sheriff in town. That always goes to plan, or does it?
His “I shouldn’t have left” comment was retruthing (is that the term?) his son’s post that said all these fears and nominees wouldn’t exist now because he’d be 2 months from being done. That’s hardly what you’d expect commentary to retruth if he expects to stay. Context matters.
I think so many of you are caught up with opinions about him that you miss things like that. Or maybe it’s because it doesn’t fit the narrative. I’d go with the former giving folks the benefit of the doubt.
On the plus side, if you’re all wagering these bets on poly then maybe I should take the other side. Hard to say no to a sucker bet.
We keep on trying to normalize him.
If he pulls off the Matt Pedo nomination he will be emboldened to do anything he wants.
The Supreme Court gave him all he wanted to stay in power.
Of course it's unconstitutional. Of course it's abhorrent. That's what he and his supporters voted for.
I'm not a negative person. But he's telling us what he's going to do and we're not listening
“No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.”
We all thought the same thing about presidential immunity, and “no one is above the law!”
When it comes to Trump, nothing is out of bounds or reach. He’s already consolidating power behind the scenes and will emerge as the most powerful president ever to take office (immunity). He’s filling his ranks with incompetent yes men, and Project 2025 contributors, who mean business.
Additionally, his FCC chair, Carr, is already threatening to yank FCC licenses and reject the merger of Paramount and SkyeDance. Not to mention, he’s already setting up military tribunals (court martial), for admirals and generals, under the auspices of dereliction of duty, due to the Afghan withdrawal. And the two Inspector General’s of the CIA and Directorate of National Intelligence, have resigned because they expect an intelligence purge when Trump is inaugurated.
And we all know the type of people he wants for DOJ and the FBI? You still think vengeance and retribution aren’t on the menu?
So tell me, are you 100% positive he won’t be back in 2028, unless he’s in a coma or dead, or that the next elections will be fair and legitimate?
I know I wouldn’t take that bet!…:)
If and when Trump breaks the law and acts unconstitutionally, he won’t be protected by the Constitution. It will be a free for all. Citizens will remove him. With or without an election.
Elections have consequences. But that doesn’t empower him to do what he wants. He just becomes another thug. Like Putin.
Forcing recess appointments, prosecuting the generals, sending police from red states and the military into blue states to remove immigrants, jailing the media. These are things that are as unconstitutional as trying to run for a third term.
Do I think he will do these things he said he would do? Absolutely. And when he does it gives us an opportunity to do something about it. Because we either have laws EVERYONE follows or we don’t. And if we don’t, it’s every one for themselves. Trump isn’t a King. Even if a biased US Supreme Court has tried to make him one.
The impeachment clause of the Constitution is pretty clear too...
"...the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgement and Punishment, according to Law."
Which or course indicates that a president is in fact subject to "Indictment, Trial, Judgement and Punishment, according to Law." irrespective of getting impeached and removed from office or not.
Yet, THIS partisan Supreme Court ignored the very plain text and gave (presumably all presidents but this was tailor made for Trump) a "get out of jail free" card, granting ("limited" but not really limited) immunity that they simply CONJURED UP out our of THIN AIR.
Whatever seems "airtight" in the 22nd Amendment, with this court, may not be as "airtight" as one assumes.
He can always suspend the constitution by issuing national emergency or whatever it's called and have no election.
It’s strange that we had nothing on Nancy Mace’s active bullying of her soon to be colleague.
Oh I think she should just say: “Ok, men’s room it is!” And then just walk in like, “How’s it hangin’ guys!” each time and make every congressman super uncomfortable until they beg her to use the Ladies room.
Why should she have to share a bathroom and locker room with a biological male?
Because she is her colleague? And Mace doesn’t actually care about this?
Why wouldn't she share a bathroom with Matt Gaetz, then?
Gaetz would be a greater threat to Mace in Florida than Sarah McBride would be in the House
Both Gaetz and McBride have penises. I don't blame her for not wanting to share a locker room and bathroom with Penis-Americans.
I’m going to guess McBride does not at this point.
Nothing the president does as an official act is illegal. Staying in the White House passed check out time would be held out to be an official act. Once it gets litigate to the Supreme Court, only the will we know. How long will that take? Two or three years? More?
Don’t doubt at all that Trump will try to stay in office past this term. That’s who he is and he gets away with his actions every single time.
Cmon folks this is totally Hocus Pocus kind of talk!
Never underestimate the convicted felon. He’s in a position to get and do anything he wants, and that means *anything.*
Unless he is physically worn out, he will attempt to stay, most likely by declaring a state of emergency.
Here Trump's solution. "X" as the figurehead president in 2028 and Donald as Vice-President. Would there be a constitutional barrier to that? Hey, it worked for Putin when he stepped down as President and swapped Prime Minister with Dimitri Medvedev. And I don't believe there's a two-term limit on our Vice-President.
Yes, this one is easy. The 22nd Amendment says nothing of a former president who runs as vice president, and subsequently takes over as president when the elected person resigns. Republicans have shown no remorse for gaming the system!
This old jazz guy has had a soft spot in his musical heart for Dwight Yoakam since the mid-1980s. He's singing in a slightly lower range but Dwight's still got the chops. Great stuff! Thanks, Chris!
You’re forgetting he will have his people rig the election - Putin elections from now on. He will allow someone else in with him in control like he was controlling things in the house these past years maybe Don jr or Lara. There’s no way we can count on real elections anymore unless a miracle happens. The party who couldn’t beat him isn’t likely to regain control. There is the possibility he’ll be dead or impaired. Heritage will get their guy in there. They lined up behind the one guy who could win over people. They got this country away from democracy and they’re going to keep it that way.
Let us all just take a breath. I'm not thrilled with his cabinet nominations but that is the president's right. Even though he tried to distance himself from Project 2025 it seems like his playbook so Dems in office need to get smart and work to talk to their constituents to calm them and work to win as much as they can in 2026. Our democracy is important to all of us and we need to stick to truths and not go down rabbit holes.
The reality is that the Constitution is just a piece of paper, and if Republicans and Trump’s appointed government lackeys choose to ignore it, there is nothing anyone can do about it. They will think Democratic protests are precious, though.
The Dem-train in this comment section has left reality. Except for 1 or 2 sane beings.
Trump doesn't care about rules. Rules are for everyone but Trump. Haven't you all figured that out by now?
The Secret Service will escort him out? Seriously!?!? They are there to protect him. They are loyal to him. They will do whatever the Orange God-King tells them to do.
And thanks to his coming purge of the Military, his Generals will protect him as well.
Trump is laying the ground work to remain in office as long as he wants. Over the next two years he will continue to create an environment where it will be impossible to remove him from office.
It will be interesting to see who ends up heading the DNC. Emmanuel might be too much for them, but he also might be the type of leader they need. Landrieu would be another good pick. Every one else is just a want to be. As for AOC and her comment. She needs to get out of her bubble and see the rest of the US.
Harris in 2028. Not going to happen. Put a fork in her because she is done. Everyone makes excuses that she just didn't have enough time. Bull sh*t! She had plenty of time and she and her team squandered it. They should have aggressively put her into the media to get her story out and to push her agenda. But that is the thing, I don't think she's capable of extemporaneous thinking as was disastrously proven with the horrible answer on The View about changes the Biden Administration should have made. Unless she trains and gets better at that skill, she's a non-starter.
Behold! We read an interesting take on Bluesky - Vance could run for President, with Trump as Vice President, with the clear and unambiguous goal that Vance would resign on the 21st of January. This neatly sidesteps the restrictions of the 22nd Amendment (if you read the text carefully), since Trump never "held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President" , he would constitutionally be allowed to be President again for that additional term. This assumes that the Supreme Court decides that the "never held the office of President" clause is modified by the "for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President". Which we would submit: they would decide in such a way.
Now, to be clear, even under this interpretation, he would not be eligible for a fourth term. Although if the people vote to support this insane scheme, it suggests that the idea of constitutional limitations on Trump are adorably naive.
The problem with that notion is that a Vance/Trump ticket would not win in 2028. The voters in the US, as stupid as they seem, are not THAT stupid. In fact, Vance and Trump JR would not win, Vance and Barron would not win, Vance and anybody will not win in 2028. At least, Vance had better NOT win in 2028.
Are you sure?! Don't underestimate the stupidity of American voters. 2024 proved that.
Or he's named Speaker of the House and two MAGAt shills run for Pres/VP and then resign.
Fantasy? One would hope. But there was a time not too long ago when the notion of a president being immune from prosecutition for his crimes was similarly unthinkable. And let's not even get into the bar against insurrectionists or the clear language of the emoluments clause. This Supreme Court is ready to ignore anything in the Constitution (except the Holy Second Amendment) if it stands in their way.