Christie can go after Trump all he wants, but there's a ton of ammo to go after Christie for. Just post endless pictures of Christie lounging on the shuttered beach.
Maybe he is the "kamikaze candidate", but it won't matter because A) As you noted, Trump's voters will stick by him no matter what he says or does, and B) Even if they didn't, the alternative to him is the fascist-wannabe Florida Governor, Ron DeSantis. So, pick your poison.
RE: Trump Going To Prison After Conviction --- Possible Incarceration Scenario
The Federal Courts will take into account putting a former president in prison will be dicey.
Here's a win-win when Trump is found guilty options accorded the Criminal-In-Chief:
- Mar-a-Large is confiscated by the Feds and converted to a one-person prison facility. [Precedent is sending Dr. Mudd, associated with the Lincoln assassination, sent to the Dry Tortugas, FL.]
- The hotel's suites are permanently closed. Any member with long term leases are allowed to sue Trump for loss of access.
- Trump would be contained in a small square foot enclosure where people currently congregate to celebrate their criminal con.
- Trump's exercise yard will be a fenced area with a view of the golf course.
- Trump's Secret Security detail will be ensconced in the Trump family quarters, allowed to meet with him as necessary.
- The golf course will be converted to a public course which would allow MAGAs taking up golf to get a glimpse at their god-like hero.
"Christie is now regarded as compromised by his long dalliance with Trump and Trumpism."
Christie is compromised with the GOP base not because of his association with Trump but because he had the temerity to become a modern-day Cassandra prophesizing against his former BFF. If, however unlikely, Christie could make it thru to the general, his brand of John McCain Republicanism would garner independents, soft center-left Democrats and those that have a real concern about Biden's age.
Of course, all the while losing the 5th Avenue mob and in the process the election.
The question is what else is Christie doing? A presidential campaign, even a quixotic one, keeps him in the public eye, keeps the money flowing, and potentially (especially if Trump is knocked out of contention by his legal issues) puts him in position to land a position in a Republican administration (VP????).
Why hasn't anyone promoted a demeaning nickname for Trump? Call him "Dopey Donald," the most ignorant man to ever serve as president. Call him "Sore Loser Trump" who acts like a petulant three-year-old whenever he loses. If someone attacked him frontally during a debate he'd lose it.
Trump is irrelevant in the real world -- which actual politicians know: that's why they're getting into the race -- for the simple fact that he will be in prison. He's looking at 3 indictments before 2024. His own lawyers have told him Jack Smith is indicting as soon as this week. I grant pundits don't talk about this, bc apres Trump le deluge, but Christie in bc DeDantis is imploding & Trump will be imprisoned. The whole farce is about "not alienating Trump's angry base" while somehow winning the actual GOP voters, the same ones Trumpism keeps losing elections by.
I don't think Trump will actually go to Prison when and not if he's found guilty of these pending criminal cases. He will not go to Prison because Biden will use his Presidential power to pardon him
If Joe Biden pardoned Trump out of a jail sentence, it would be saying “when you’re President, they let you do it”. I don’t think Biden would set that precident for the Presidency. It would make that office a magnet for mountebanks.
If Christie goes at Trump in a debate with the full arsenal of the facts of Trump's egregious and relentless lies, corruption and treason, there will be a number of Republicans watching who have never heard these facts before. Trump can call Christie names all he wants, but if Christie just comes with the receipts, at the very least some of this information just may penetrate the brains of the right wingers who hear only Trump's lies.
The interesting thing will be the reaction of other Republicans to any of Christie's attacks - most likely it will be just the latest off ramp they drive on right by for fear of angering Trump. We may hear some murmuring about Trump's electability (usually couched as "he was the greatest president ever but for some unknown reason the evil Democrats won't stop persecuting him so sadly, we are forced to move on") as well as a lot of both siderism and Biden bashing along with a smattering of more honest commentary off the record, of course.
It just feels as if we're going to be watching the Republicans rejecting yet another chance to damage Trump and move on because, let's face it folks, their voters don't want to move on and the always-a-follower-never-a-leader Republicans will chase the base as far down as they want to go.
Wasn't there also that moment when Chris Christie attacked Marco Rubio in the debates for "the memorized 25 second speech." It didn't end Rubio's run or have an impact on the whole primary, but damn, that was a great attack line from Christie
I’m probably a bit delusional but I do see a path for Christie. DeSantis has clearly taken the approach that Trump’s legal troubles will ultimately take him down and Meatball Ron will be there to take over his voter base along with the rest of the establishment. I think this is remarkably more delusional than my Christie position. Trump is destroying DeSantis’s manhood. Trump is the alpha and Puddin’ Fingers is his, well...you know.
Christie is also playing the Trump is going to jail card but is giving himself a far more strategic option. He will be the alpha dog in this fight. By going after Trump hard, he will show himself as the only “fighter” in the field. Nikki, Tim and DeSaster gave that up already.
While I know Christie can go after Trump relentlessly and tirelessly, at the end of the day, I do not see the needle moving. I do think Christie up on that debate stage, can fire attach after attack and Trump may become flustered. The more flustered he gets, the lies will come faster and faster, the nastiness will be flowing. Once again, will it move any needles, I don’t think so. Sad!
Christie can go after Trump all he wants, but there's a ton of ammo to go after Christie for. Just post endless pictures of Christie lounging on the shuttered beach.
Fair enough. And Trump will absolutely do that, of course.
Honestly, if I'm Trump, I'd just ignore him. He won't obviously, but why give a him any oxygen, especially if he's floundering in the polls?
But Trump can't accept people who step up to him. He will offer daily barrages at Christie.
IMHO everyone is running to be there when / if TFG is out because of health, DOJ or he has grifted enough. In a year and a half lots can happen
True! I think we are all in a bit of wait and see mode as various Trump investigations play out.
Maybe he is the "kamikaze candidate", but it won't matter because A) As you noted, Trump's voters will stick by him no matter what he says or does, and B) Even if they didn't, the alternative to him is the fascist-wannabe Florida Governor, Ron DeSantis. So, pick your poison.
RE: Trump Going To Prison After Conviction --- Possible Incarceration Scenario
The Federal Courts will take into account putting a former president in prison will be dicey.
Here's a win-win when Trump is found guilty options accorded the Criminal-In-Chief:
- Mar-a-Large is confiscated by the Feds and converted to a one-person prison facility. [Precedent is sending Dr. Mudd, associated with the Lincoln assassination, sent to the Dry Tortugas, FL.]
- The hotel's suites are permanently closed. Any member with long term leases are allowed to sue Trump for loss of access.
- Trump would be contained in a small square foot enclosure where people currently congregate to celebrate their criminal con.
- Trump's exercise yard will be a fenced area with a view of the golf course.
- Trump's Secret Security detail will be ensconced in the Trump family quarters, allowed to meet with him as necessary.
- The golf course will be converted to a public course which would allow MAGAs taking up golf to get a glimpse at their god-like hero.
"Christie is now regarded as compromised by his long dalliance with Trump and Trumpism."
Christie is compromised with the GOP base not because of his association with Trump but because he had the temerity to become a modern-day Cassandra prophesizing against his former BFF. If, however unlikely, Christie could make it thru to the general, his brand of John McCain Republicanism would garner independents, soft center-left Democrats and those that have a real concern about Biden's age.
Of course, all the while losing the 5th Avenue mob and in the process the election.
Nice conne to Greek drama!😉
The question is what else is Christie doing? A presidential campaign, even a quixotic one, keeps him in the public eye, keeps the money flowing, and potentially (especially if Trump is knocked out of contention by his legal issues) puts him in position to land a position in a Republican administration (VP????).
I DO think this is a way to keep him relevant for the foreseeable future...and maybe up his speaking fees etc when it's all said and done.
Why hasn't anyone promoted a demeaning nickname for Trump? Call him "Dopey Donald," the most ignorant man to ever serve as president. Call him "Sore Loser Trump" who acts like a petulant three-year-old whenever he loses. If someone attacked him frontally during a debate he'd lose it.
I think this is the Christie angle (if I had to guess). Go right at Trump -- repeatedly -- and sort of see what happens.
Might I offer a few:
Secessionist-in-Chief
Criminal-In-Chief
Defendant-In-Chief
Ignoramous-In-Chief
Narcissist-In-Chief
Liar-In-Chief
"I looked up the word 'loser' in the dictionary. It came with a picture of you."
Run Chris RUN!
Trump is irrelevant in the real world -- which actual politicians know: that's why they're getting into the race -- for the simple fact that he will be in prison. He's looking at 3 indictments before 2024. His own lawyers have told him Jack Smith is indicting as soon as this week. I grant pundits don't talk about this, bc apres Trump le deluge, but Christie in bc DeDantis is imploding & Trump will be imprisoned. The whole farce is about "not alienating Trump's angry base" while somehow winning the actual GOP voters, the same ones Trumpism keeps losing elections by.
I don't think Trump will actually go to Prison when and not if he's found guilty of these pending criminal cases. He will not go to Prison because Biden will use his Presidential power to pardon him
If Joe Biden pardoned Trump out of a jail sentence, it would be saying “when you’re President, they let you do it”. I don’t think Biden would set that precident for the Presidency. It would make that office a magnet for mountebanks.
Why would Biden pardon him? Three times? I'm afraid I think that speculation is simply vacuous, dare I say it, emotionally driven.
If Christie goes at Trump in a debate with the full arsenal of the facts of Trump's egregious and relentless lies, corruption and treason, there will be a number of Republicans watching who have never heard these facts before. Trump can call Christie names all he wants, but if Christie just comes with the receipts, at the very least some of this information just may penetrate the brains of the right wingers who hear only Trump's lies.
The interesting thing will be the reaction of other Republicans to any of Christie's attacks - most likely it will be just the latest off ramp they drive on right by for fear of angering Trump. We may hear some murmuring about Trump's electability (usually couched as "he was the greatest president ever but for some unknown reason the evil Democrats won't stop persecuting him so sadly, we are forced to move on") as well as a lot of both siderism and Biden bashing along with a smattering of more honest commentary off the record, of course.
It just feels as if we're going to be watching the Republicans rejecting yet another chance to damage Trump and move on because, let's face it folks, their voters don't want to move on and the always-a-follower-never-a-leader Republicans will chase the base as far down as they want to go.
Excellent point about Fox/NewsMax-only viewers of the debate, who would not have heard 3/4 of the charges against the Criminal-In-Chief.
Wasn't there also that moment when Chris Christie attacked Marco Rubio in the debates for "the memorized 25 second speech." It didn't end Rubio's run or have an impact on the whole primary, but damn, that was a great attack line from Christie
Yes! https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004193092/8th-gop-debate.html
Wildly overstates Christies rhetorical pugilism...he's not an alpha at all. Just a bully.
I’m probably a bit delusional but I do see a path for Christie. DeSantis has clearly taken the approach that Trump’s legal troubles will ultimately take him down and Meatball Ron will be there to take over his voter base along with the rest of the establishment. I think this is remarkably more delusional than my Christie position. Trump is destroying DeSantis’s manhood. Trump is the alpha and Puddin’ Fingers is his, well...you know.
Christie is also playing the Trump is going to jail card but is giving himself a far more strategic option. He will be the alpha dog in this fight. By going after Trump hard, he will show himself as the only “fighter” in the field. Nikki, Tim and DeSaster gave that up already.
I am awaiting the Trump insult name for Christie. Apparently, "Fat Bastard" is already taken.
Trump has no shame. He'll go there, and the Jersey boy will retaliate
What do you think, Chris?
While I know Christie can go after Trump relentlessly and tirelessly, at the end of the day, I do not see the needle moving. I do think Christie up on that debate stage, can fire attach after attack and Trump may become flustered. The more flustered he gets, the lies will come faster and faster, the nastiness will be flowing. Once again, will it move any needles, I don’t think so. Sad!
Not gonna happen.