Agree with you there. I've been reading Will for years even if I find myself disagreeing with much of what he says as he writes well and presents an argument rather than a rant, but he really seems at sea when it comes to the MAGA-ized Republican Party. He's not alone in this, of course!
The MAGAts want the rant and have no interest in the debate or argument. There is only one position and no room for compromise. Hear it time and time again here in MAGAland from the enablers: "I don't like him but I like what he's saying"
I think the only thing Trump could do at this point that would eat away at his base of support is to say what (I believe) he actually thinks about them. This would involve some level of honesty... I know, I know. But, what if he said something like: "My fans are complete morons. And a bunch of racists. My ability to stoke their fears about "others" and bully people relentlessly makes them love me. Then they give me money they can't afford, hoping I'll be President again so I can do absolutely nothing that makes their lives any better." He would have to repeat it a few times so he couldn't use the "just joking" excuse. As for Hailey, her best bet is that poking him results in a heart attack. Just sayin'.
a heart attack or a massive stroke, both would be great!!! My wish for him would be a massive stroke. He could still understand what is being said but couldn't respond in any way. KARMA.
As I nod my head in agreement with you Chris, your post reminds me again how amazed (and disgusted) I remain with the millions of voters who stand with this cult leader. I guess I’m more disgusted than amazed at this point, some 8+ years in now 😢
You are either MAGA or you are not - if you were “...already embarrassed and exhausted by Trump,” you are already not MAGA. It is like the Sneetches - you either have or you have not.
I sometimes read George Will’s columns, and sometimes I feel he is on the mark, however, more often, I feel he is detached from reality. This column is one of the latter. It feels like he determines a conclusion, and then finds some arguments to support his conclusion.
Absolutely spot on. If one is still with Donald J Trump at this point in his political career, it is ride or die. Poor George..he used to have a face until the leopards got him…..
Sure, Will is wishcasting and TFG will likely roll Haley in SC and beyond. That said, why not write about the moon shot that Haley may wear Trump down to the point that he begins to look like a rapidly aging..both mentally and physically..diminished, puddle of a man. I say stay at it Nikki, all the way to the convention. Longshot or not, it's all we've got.
Nikki isn't in this for the benefit of the Dems, you know. She is extremely ambitious and at this point, she's in this to position herself as a potential replacement should Trump have a "medical event"...or to position herself for 2028.
Bingo!!!! I actually think any of the sycophants who lobby for a potential VP spot are just hoping... waiting... for something to happen to Trump, so they can slide right into the Oval. Most of them would not be able to win the presidency, on their own, but as VP... if Trump goes to prison or becomes mentally too unstable to work and they can manage him a bit more... or he dies.... that VP is then his replacement.
I truly WISH you were wrong on that one, TC, but that would be, to quote Chris, “wishcasting”.
I think we all know, in our hearts, that EVERY one of them will finally kiss the.....um......”ring” sooner or later. Maybe....just maybe.... Chris Christie will be the exception to that, but that would depend upon whether or not he has come to the realization in his own mind that he truly has NO future in this current “Republican Party”. While I think he’s done a LOT of screwed up things in his career, I don’t think he’s stupid or blind, so he must have come to the realization that his “negatives” among Republicans are just too high to overcome, even over time.
As to Haley, she’s very definitely a Republican for life, so she’s got to walk that tightrope VERY carefully in order to have a future in the Party. If she wants the RNC’s support for 2028, and you know she does, she will ultimately HAVE to swallow her pride and endorse “the Party’s candidate”....
I spend most of every day wishing I was wrong about these things, because that would mean we were back in Normal World. But it seems it's true that You Can Never Go Home Again. :-(
They will continue to support Trump even if he is convicted and sent to prison because, you know, the whole thing is a political witch hunt orchestrated by the "Deep State", and not because Trump is the most corrupt president we've ever had.
Now here's a guy (George Will) who I have read and watched before and consider credible. I agree with some points and disagree with others. But to make the claim that Haley presents an antidote to Trump? No. She missed her chance, unfortunately. She didn't need to be Chris Christie, rather she should have used him (which I'm sure he would have been fine with!). At least be in the “Trump will not take over my party!” camp. She blew it.
Now, by attacking Trump, she makes it appear personal because Trump started attacking her. By trying to look like she's ”standing up to bullies” she runs into not standing up for others when she has the chance. I believe she is finished politically, the same as DeSantis.
Haley should still stay in, though. Trump could totally crack up before the convention or fall out of a window in Moscow.
Hey now, this is no laughing matter. American ingenuity has left us making better windows than the Russians. Joe Biden will keep making better windows, while Trump wants cheap product that people can fall through, like in Moscow. This is why I support Ukraine, and Biden.
George Will should have been a sports writer, since the country doesn't rise on what people in that field of journalism write or say.
As to politics, I can't remember a time he wrote something I disagreed with where later events proved I was right to disagree because he was wrong. 100% of the time. A record of epic failure in his chosen profession of political prognostication.
People think because he uses big words as ponderously as he does that he must be smart.
Will is the perfect demonstration of the fact that "conservative intellectual" is an oxymoron.
Since Reagan, the GOP leadership has increasingly radicalized its ever-shrinking base by playing on their collective cultural tropes and fears. Trump's cult-like following is nothing more than the logical outcome of this strategy.
The collective moaning of the GOP establishment is not a lament for the 40-year political and policy degradation of the conspiracy-driven no-nothings of their base; rather, it is the establishment wailing that those no-nothings are Trump's, not theirs.
Wasn't he the one saying that Tim Scott was going to be the natural choice, since his wife was consulting for his campaign. When he wrote those OpEds I just rolled my eyes
Thanks, Chris, I totaly agree with you on all counts. I wonder, though, if Nikki Haley's continued candidacy could have a positive impact if she could step up the attacks, similar to the way that Chris Christie did, and raise doubts about his competency. For example, a face to face debate, if Trump would agree to it, would probably show off the difference in age and acuity. It wouldn't change the GOP nomination result but maybe could help in the general election?
Agree with you there. I've been reading Will for years even if I find myself disagreeing with much of what he says as he writes well and presents an argument rather than a rant, but he really seems at sea when it comes to the MAGA-ized Republican Party. He's not alone in this, of course!
The MAGAts want the rant and have no interest in the debate or argument. There is only one position and no room for compromise. Hear it time and time again here in MAGAland from the enablers: "I don't like him but I like what he's saying"
Will is not MAGA.
He's simply fossilized in amber continually raging about anything that is the antithesis of the Reagan era.
Spot on
I think the only thing Trump could do at this point that would eat away at his base of support is to say what (I believe) he actually thinks about them. This would involve some level of honesty... I know, I know. But, what if he said something like: "My fans are complete morons. And a bunch of racists. My ability to stoke their fears about "others" and bully people relentlessly makes them love me. Then they give me money they can't afford, hoping I'll be President again so I can do absolutely nothing that makes their lives any better." He would have to repeat it a few times so he couldn't use the "just joking" excuse. As for Hailey, her best bet is that poking him results in a heart attack. Just sayin'.
a heart attack or a massive stroke, both would be great!!! My wish for him would be a massive stroke. He could still understand what is being said but couldn't respond in any way. KARMA.
That might work, repeated often to the cult members. But I wouldn’t bet even a nickel on those words turning his fan club against him.
As I nod my head in agreement with you Chris, your post reminds me again how amazed (and disgusted) I remain with the millions of voters who stand with this cult leader. I guess I’m more disgusted than amazed at this point, some 8+ years in now 😢
You are either MAGA or you are not - if you were “...already embarrassed and exhausted by Trump,” you are already not MAGA. It is like the Sneetches - you either have or you have not.
I sometimes read George Will’s columns, and sometimes I feel he is on the mark, however, more often, I feel he is detached from reality. This column is one of the latter. It feels like he determines a conclusion, and then finds some arguments to support his conclusion.
Absolutely spot on. If one is still with Donald J Trump at this point in his political career, it is ride or die. Poor George..he used to have a face until the leopards got him…..
Deplorables only get more deplorable.
What I always think of when I hear George Will:
Kramer: I'll tell you who is an attractive man; George Will."
Jerry: "Really!"
Kramer: "Yeah! He has clean looks, scrubbed and shampooed and...."
Elaine: "He's smart...."
Kramer: "No, no I don't find him all that bright."
Sure, Will is wishcasting and TFG will likely roll Haley in SC and beyond. That said, why not write about the moon shot that Haley may wear Trump down to the point that he begins to look like a rapidly aging..both mentally and physically..diminished, puddle of a man. I say stay at it Nikki, all the way to the convention. Longshot or not, it's all we've got.
Nikki isn't in this for the benefit of the Dems, you know. She is extremely ambitious and at this point, she's in this to position herself as a potential replacement should Trump have a "medical event"...or to position herself for 2028.
Bingo!!!! I actually think any of the sycophants who lobby for a potential VP spot are just hoping... waiting... for something to happen to Trump, so they can slide right into the Oval. Most of them would not be able to win the presidency, on their own, but as VP... if Trump goes to prison or becomes mentally too unstable to work and they can manage him a bit more... or he dies.... that VP is then his replacement.
You're going to stick with her even after she leaves the race and endorses Trump because "the American people have spoken"? You know she will.
I truly WISH you were wrong on that one, TC, but that would be, to quote Chris, “wishcasting”.
I think we all know, in our hearts, that EVERY one of them will finally kiss the.....um......”ring” sooner or later. Maybe....just maybe.... Chris Christie will be the exception to that, but that would depend upon whether or not he has come to the realization in his own mind that he truly has NO future in this current “Republican Party”. While I think he’s done a LOT of screwed up things in his career, I don’t think he’s stupid or blind, so he must have come to the realization that his “negatives” among Republicans are just too high to overcome, even over time.
As to Haley, she’s very definitely a Republican for life, so she’s got to walk that tightrope VERY carefully in order to have a future in the Party. If she wants the RNC’s support for 2028, and you know she does, she will ultimately HAVE to swallow her pride and endorse “the Party’s candidate”....
I spend most of every day wishing I was wrong about these things, because that would mean we were back in Normal World. But it seems it's true that You Can Never Go Home Again. :-(
They will continue to support Trump even if he is convicted and sent to prison because, you know, the whole thing is a political witch hunt orchestrated by the "Deep State", and not because Trump is the most corrupt president we've ever had.
Now here's a guy (George Will) who I have read and watched before and consider credible. I agree with some points and disagree with others. But to make the claim that Haley presents an antidote to Trump? No. She missed her chance, unfortunately. She didn't need to be Chris Christie, rather she should have used him (which I'm sure he would have been fine with!). At least be in the “Trump will not take over my party!” camp. She blew it.
Now, by attacking Trump, she makes it appear personal because Trump started attacking her. By trying to look like she's ”standing up to bullies” she runs into not standing up for others when she has the chance. I believe she is finished politically, the same as DeSantis.
Haley should still stay in, though. Trump could totally crack up before the convention or fall out of a window in Moscow.
Laughed out loud at that last line!!!
Hey now, this is no laughing matter. American ingenuity has left us making better windows than the Russians. Joe Biden will keep making better windows, while Trump wants cheap product that people can fall through, like in Moscow. This is why I support Ukraine, and Biden.
George Will should have been a sports writer, since the country doesn't rise on what people in that field of journalism write or say.
As to politics, I can't remember a time he wrote something I disagreed with where later events proved I was right to disagree because he was wrong. 100% of the time. A record of epic failure in his chosen profession of political prognostication.
People think because he uses big words as ponderously as he does that he must be smart.
Will is the perfect demonstration of the fact that "conservative intellectual" is an oxymoron.
Since Reagan, the GOP leadership has increasingly radicalized its ever-shrinking base by playing on their collective cultural tropes and fears. Trump's cult-like following is nothing more than the logical outcome of this strategy.
The collective moaning of the GOP establishment is not a lament for the 40-year political and policy degradation of the conspiracy-driven no-nothings of their base; rather, it is the establishment wailing that those no-nothings are Trump's, not theirs.
Big George Will fan here. Uh, until recently. He’s lost a bit of his great big mind - the bit that recognizes Trump for what he is: incorrigible.
Wasn't he the one saying that Tim Scott was going to be the natural choice, since his wife was consulting for his campaign. When he wrote those OpEds I just rolled my eyes
Maybe she is going for the "He'll will have a heart attack and die on the trail" and be the last candidate standing.
Thanks, Chris, I totaly agree with you on all counts. I wonder, though, if Nikki Haley's continued candidacy could have a positive impact if she could step up the attacks, similar to the way that Chris Christie did, and raise doubts about his competency. For example, a face to face debate, if Trump would agree to it, would probably show off the difference in age and acuity. It wouldn't change the GOP nomination result but maybe could help in the general election?