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Why Democrats need their own Donald Trump (or Bill Clinton)

“Out of the Wilderness," Episode 1

To kick off my new show — “Out of the Wilderness” — I talked to longtime Democratic strategist and thinker

of the on Tuesday about what went wrong for Democrats in 2024 and where the party needs to go to begin to reclaim power in the country.

Ruy’s diagnosis? Democratic elected officials are terrified of pissing off interest groups that they believe control the base of the party. And that fear has led to them being on the wrong side of 80-20 issues like biological males playing sports with girls and other cultural touchstones.

What’s the solution? Democrats need their own version of Donald Trump — not the bullying and the untruths but rather someone willing to take on the entrenched forces within the party and show a different way to win. (Ruy also cited Bill Clinton as someone who was able to challenge accepted orthodoxy within the party — and ride it to victory.)

Ruy also made what I think is a critical point about the current president: “The median working-class voter does not hate Donald Trump.”

Which means that no matter how much liberals hate him, the way forward for the party is not to focus on Trump to the exclusion of everything else.

Ruy presents three pillars of what Democrats should be talking about:

  1. Cultural centrism

  2. An abundance agenda

  3. Patriotism

He explains each concept in depth toward the end of our chat.

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